On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Steven D. Morrey <<a href="mailto:smorrey@ldschurch.org" target="_blank">smorrey@ldschurch.org</a>> wrote: <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> When I worked as an enterprise IT consultant, I noticed that lots of GPL'd projects that were created for in house use would never be released to the public. Below are the top 5 reasons given by these organizations, most of these decisions came from either corporate legal or some MBA way up the chain in middle management.</blockquote><div> Hi all I have to strongly agree with what Steven said. I've seen all the same too. Best I could do (wich only worked in a few cases) is try to convince to release code as my own taking full responsibility but many are unwilling since after all they paid money to have it developed. Very egoistic enterprise morality unfortunately, everyone for him/her/itself and don't do things for the public good eventhough these enterprises are themselve using program developed and made available for free. BTW, I did not want originally to comment on that entire thread in regards to Icingal and see how things go but my opinion is what's happening is related to egoism and personal/corporate/commercial interests too. I did not like it when Ethan started changing nagios from purely open-source project to a company with commercial interests. But its his project and he really done A LOT for the public in the last 10 years so he's entitled to proper compensation and project does need a more stable base. I did not like Netways even more because even though they were releasing good things I always perceived strong commercial and corporate interests and certain greed - I even had a running with Netways myself when I modifed nagiosgrapher and offered to submit changes to them (see <a href="http://william.leibzon.org/nagios/" target="_blank">http://william.leibzon.org/nagios/</a>) if they opened project more but they were unwilling and I saw that their interests are not inline with a real open-source attitude; and I was actually reluctant to post my code to nagiosexchange for long time because I perceived commercial interests there too, just look how prominently they display that its "powered by Netways" where as usually repositories/directories like this display sponsor logo at the bottom or talk about sponsors at the about page (and notice also that nagiosgrapher is still the only top-rated project). I really wish we had repository like this organized by independent party (or preferably non-profit entity) doing it entirely for the benefit of users and getting money to run it through donations directly by users or by companies. At the same time it appears to be true that Ethan is keeping too much control over nagios base, but simply does not have time to develop it in the way he did before so projects that have been on agenda for 3+ years are not getting done. In fact the project is really too big for him to do it alone if we want enterprise-centric features. So I can understand frustration that people here have shown but "split" in the way it has been announced is simply not the right approach. What the right approach should have been is announcement of new project that will incorporate nagios as a base and at the same time provide some new features and interfaces (i.e. monitoring system like groundwork base on nagios but with further work on top of it). We have several such projects that are doing well. But instead this was announced as a fork so rather then build user base based on their release and new features, they are trying to take away existing user base. This appears to be a battle of personal and corporate interests more then anything else and its hurting nagios community which in my view is really represented by developers on this list and by users on nagios-users list. To Ethan - I think the code should really be opened more then public or you should hire additional people who will help development and incorporate changes and discuss anything that is not incorporated. If this is not done, it looks like you're too busy for nagios and its not entirely clear that what you're busy with is good for the benefit of the nagios community. And I really really hope people will come to their senses that they should be helping community and public and that means working together and helping each other and public as a whole rather then acting on their own interests. This "fork" will hurt nagios and help competition projects rather then help too make it popular and better. Ok. done with my opinion. No flames please, we've had enough. Frustrated with what's going with one of my favorite open-source network tools, William </div></div>